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Genetics, Perception, Dimensionality and Individual Action

The David Icke Biography

      The Veil of Tears Adapted from "And the Truth Shall Set You Free"

      By David Icke.

Ages ago, when Earth's primates had not yet evolved into bipedal self-conscious creatures, celestial co-creators came to this planet and seeded a variety of new humanoid races (as well as a miscellany of vegetable and animal life) as a great divine experiment. This benign evolutionary intervention from the stars unfolded over an extended period of time and at different points all around the planet under the auspices of very evolved representatives of diverse worlds situated at various locations in the Universe. Thus it may be seen that the Adam and Eve myth in the Old Testament is but a very simplified allegorical endeavour to explain a process of considerable complexity in which many different alien civilisations were involved, and who still today maintain an active interest and karmic investment in a multitude of life-forms upon Earth, including mankind.

However, the ignorance and selfishness of mankind over the ages has also invited to Earth numerous alien groups of a decidedly belligerent and tyrannical nature. These warlords also created certain races of human-beings, and later subsequently "hijacked" the whole planet. They were able to do this by using their advanced technology, yet while they were far superior technologically, they were low on love and wisdom. This is, as always, a telling and profoundly unbalanced combination.

We live in a free will Universe where, within certain limits, we are allowed to experience and to learn from the consequences of our actions. So taking over a planet does not automatically "bring in the Father", as it were, to immediately wrest control from the hijackers. To the contrary, such a situation is permitted by cosmic law and is used as a period of experience from which all life-forms involved will learn and evolve. Evil is a very good teacher!

We live in a time-space reality - or "world" - called the Third Dimension, and it is from some of our "neighbours" in the Fourth Dimension that the interference on Planet Earth has come. Whenever I speak of the Prison Warders I am referring to manipulation from the Fourth Dimension via either thought-control or direct intervention.

Both the hijacking extraterrestrials and those with humanity's spiritual interests at heart were regular visitors to this planet thousands of years ago. They are the "gods" of the ancient texts and legends which have formed the foundations of most of the major religions which still exist today. If an extraterrestrial landed on the planet in ancient times in an astonishing anti-gravity spacecraft, or you saw a psychic vision of a being operating from another frequency or plane, you would almost certainly think that he or she was a god! And, indeed, the ancients did believe so. This is where the "gods" - and particularly the angry, judgemental, fire and brimstone gods - originated: negative extraterrestrials.

The "fear of God" was born, and this fear and resistance to change (disobeying the gods) is still a part of mankind's collective psyche. Over time, these various god-myths became fused together to form "composite gods" based upon themes from many of the earlier civilisations. So it is with Judaism, the Christian Bible, Islam and most of the others. Their version of God relates to the type of extraterrestrials from which their religion originated or the way many different extraterrestrial-related stories became fused into a composite God over the centuries.

If we look at the origin of the major religions, the stories are remarkably similar to those we hear today from people claiming to have met, or been abducted by, extraterrestrials. Mohammed, the founder of Islam in the 7th century, said that he had been visited by the Angel Gabriel, who was "in the likeness of a man, standing in the sky above the horizon". This figure told him that he was to be a prophet, and he was given messages which formed the Islamic holy book, the Koran. These messages were dictated on many different occasions in the years that followed while Mohammed was in a communicative trance. He also wrote of going on a "celestial journey". Many people in the modern world who claim to have experienced extraterrestrial contact have said the same as Mohammed. Saul of Tarsus, better known as St. Paul, was responsible for changing the image of Jesus into the saviour-god-messiah from which the Christian religion was spawned. This happened after he had a vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus. He also talked about being "taken up" into heaven, or a number of different heavens (dimensions). Speaking of himself, he wrote:

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether he was in the body or out of the body, I do not know - God knows. And I know that this man was caught up in Paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell. - Corinthians 12:2-4.

Again, this is parallelled by many of today's accounts of extraterrestrial abductees who have spoken of being taken into other realities by ET', sometimes in their physical body, sometimes out of it (on the astral planes). St. Paul and the biblical prophet, Enoch, speak of seeing many heavens when they were "taken up"; this corresponds with the stories in the Vedas, the ancient holy books of India which were written in the original Sanskrit language. These describe seven higher planes (lokas) and seven lower planes which surround and interpenetrate the Earth. Some people still talk of being in the "Seventh Heaven" when something wonderful happens to them. One of these planes is our Third Dimension, and just above us vibrationally is the level from which mankind has been manipulated.

In the Book of Enoch, the "Watchers" sound remarkably like ET'. The Dead Sea Scrolls say that the father of Noah was a Watcher, and Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon from 651-604 BC, records being visited by a Watcher and a holy one who came down from heaven. The "Dakas" of Mahayana Buddhism were "sky-travelling beings" and Padmasambhava, the founder of Tibetan Buddhism, was said to have left Tibet in a "celestial chariot". Something similar was claimed of the prophet Elijah when he left Israel, and for the Central American god, Quetzalcoatl.

Descriptions of flying discs, flying boats and celestial chariots abound on all continents and in all cultures. Still today we relate "heaven" to the sky, because that is where the "gods" of ancient times came from in their spacecraft. The Aborigines of Australia speak of three ancestral beings called the Djanggawul, who were connected with the planet Venus, as was Quetzalcoatl and the Polynesian deity, Kahuna. Add to all these the many examples quoted in numerous books, linking ETs with the creation and supervision of the Earth-races, and only a padlocked mind could dismiss at least the probability that extraterrestrials are at the heart of human history and the events that have shaped that history.

Modern UFO investigators tracked down the alleged author of a report known as The Memorandum. This report stated that the language of certain ETs captured by the American military was similar to Sanskrit, the ancient language of the Indian holy texts, the Vedas, which contain many references to what appear to be spacecraft and flying machines known as "Vimanas" and to "extraterrestrial "gods", e.g., the blue-skinned Avatar, Rama, who is still worshipped today by devout Hindus.

It is evident that at least many of the "miracles" recorded throughout religious legend have an extraterrestrial (Fourth Dimensional) origin. The sight witnessed by 70,000 Catholics at Fatima, Portugal in 1917 sounds like many of the stories described in both the ancient texts and the modern world. The Fatima "miracle" followed a series of meetings between three children and a strange being which, they said, sometimes manifested as the Virgin Mary. The being promised to produce a miracle to open the eyes of humanity, and those tens of thousands of people who turned up to witness it did, indeed, see a fantastic sight. But what was it? UFO researcher, Jacque Vallee, believed he knew when he wrote in his 1976 book, The Invisible College:

Not only was a flying disc or globe consistently involved, but its motion, its falling-leaf-trajectory, its light-effects, the thunderclaps, the buzzing sounds, the strange fragrance, the fall of "angel hair" that dissolved on the ground, the heat-wave associated with the close approach of the disc - all of these are constant parameters of UFO sightings everywhere; and so are the paralysis, the amnesia, the conversions and healings.

The children passed a sealed message from their strange communicator to the Pope, with instructions that it was only to be opened and made public in 1960. The Pope did open it in 1960, but we are still waiting for all of it to be made public. One thing is for sure: if it had confirmed the basis of the Roman Catholic religion, it would have hit the air-waves within minutes!

It is evident to the discerning researcher that the Old Testament "God" known as Yhwh (Yahweh) is also based on an extraterrestrial, or more likely, a series of them. Interestingly, while the Jewish religion is perceived as a monotheistic faith, the original Hebrew texts do not support this. While the English translation refers to a God, the Hebrew speaks of Elohim, the plural meaning "gods". Similarly, while we read the word "Lord" in English, the Hebrew refers to Adonai, the plural "Lords". Jehovah, who is often interchanged with Yahweh, would seem to have a different origin. Another extraterrestrial, no doubt.

If when reading the Old Testament and other ancient texts every reference to "God" or "the gods" is replaced with "extraterrestrial", the whole thing begins to make sense and becomes so obvious. It is important to remember that in evolutionary terms, the time span between the period when these accounts were written and the present is nothing, hardly the blink of an eye. Modern UFO phenomena as reported by thousands of people - which include amazing holographic images, beings and craft which appear and disappear (switch dimensions), and a host of other visions and tricks that put Walt Disney in the shade - were also being performed by ETs in the periods during which the major religions originated. These Fourth Dimensional manipulators created or corrupted the religions to control the human mind as they sought to control this planet, and as they are today controlling it.

The potential for manipulating humanity with such technology is simply limitless. What better way to dominate people, close down their minds and divide and rule, than to create or distort a series of superstitious religions based upon extraterrestrial special effects, thus producing various dogmas to control the masses? Look at the pain, misery and inter-generational ignorance that has been visited upon this planet by Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and many of the others. If you want to shut down someone's consciousness so that they stop thinking for themselves and disconnect their minds from their infinite potential, sell them a dogmatic religion or some other form of rigid dogma (preferably fear-motivated). They are then like putty in your hands.

The takeover of Planet Earth was achieved by what might be accurately called the Luciferic Consciousness. This is an overall term which concisely describes the force which attempts to work through all life-forms - human and extraterrestrial - in order to control the planet. It is an extremely negative (selfish) energy operating predominantly from the Fourth Dimension. The Luciferic Consciousness takes two main forms. Different cultures give these forms different symbolic names. One seeks to imprison us in the material world by persuading us to reject all idea of the spiritual realms and the eternal nature of life. The other works on religiously-minded people to persuade them to ignore the realities of the physical world and to float around in a spiritual daze. Either way it means that the people involved can be controlled while their potential to bring positive change to the world is seriously curtailed.

The complete takeover of the Earth by extraterrestrial expressions of the Luciferic Consciousness was accomplished by creating a vibratory prison. We are multidimensional beings, naturally able to experience many frequencies and dimensions at the same time. However, when the imprisoning vibration - an imposed blocking, "frequency net" - was thrown around this planet long ago, it prevented us from accessing the higher levels of our consciousness and potential - the higher dimensions. It caused us to cease to be "whole" or "holy"; we became disconnected from "the Father". Considering the advanced metaphysical knowledge which is available to a Fourth Dimensional consciousness, such a feat is not as incredible as it sounds.

Blocking frequencies are already used here on Earth, never mind by more technologically advanced civilisations. The Soviet Union in past created an information prison by sending out blocking frequencies to stop certain foreign radio stations from being received by the population. This prevented information which challenged the official line from reaching the people. It created a vibratory prison, an information prison. Extend that concept to the planet as a whole and you have the very picture that I am presenting. The only difference is one of scale.

In his book, The Montauk Project, the electrical engineer, Preston Nichols, tells the story of how he discovered a blocking frequency which jammed the minds of psychics with whom he was working as part of his research into telepathy. The basis of telepathy, as Nichols confirmed, is so simple. When we think, we create and transmit a thought-wave which is similar to a radio or television-wave. A radio or television-set decodes such waves, and, in a far more sophisticated way, the human mind may decode thought-waves. Hence telepathy. Nichols found that the minds of his psychics were blocked at the same time each day. Using tracking equipment, he traced the jamming signal to a now notorious centre of mind-control and time-travel research called Montauk, on the eastern end of Long Island, New York. Even on Earth, blocking frequencies are a reality.

We will use the term blocking and jamming frequencies for simplicity, but our vibratory imprisonment could well have taken the form of closing down the portals and gateways (Earth-vortexes) which link the physical-plane with other space-time dimensions. Some of these gateways are still to be found, however, at certain sacred places used by the ancients, like Stonehenge, Machu Picchu in Peru, Ayers Rock in Australia, and the former lands of Babylon and Mesopotamia, now Iraq. The Bermuda triangle is another, which would explain the many strange disappearances of ships and aircraft, as the gateway opens. It may even be that these gateways were largely closed down for positive reasons, to prevent more negative ETs from entering this space-time reality. Jamming frequency, closing the dimensional gateways, probably both - the precise cause of the prison does not matter so much. All we need to understand is that an extraterrestrial force from the Fourth Dimension created an information prison by blocking off the higher levels of reality. The veil came down; a veil of tears. We were, in effect, put into spiritual and mental quarantine where we remain today.

Such a jamming vibration thrown around our planet means that mankind's potential is limited to the levels of consciousness which are within the imprisoning frequency. Any consciousness and knowledge held on higher frequencies outside this vibratory prison has been denied to us. Having consequently become detached from the higher levels of our own being, in the words of the ancient books, we are "fallen" or "lost souls", disconnected from "the Father".

When the blocking, imprisoning frequency was thrown around this planet, we lost touch with our higher consciousness and, crucially, with our eternal memory. We forgot who we were and where we came from. Or, at least, the overwhelming majority did. Those who succeeded in raising their vibratory rate of consciousness on Earth could regain contact with their higher mind, their greater self, and these individuals were sometimes said to have become "enlightened", although the blocking frequency often made such enlightenment a less than perfect connection, even for these accomplished individuals.

Progressively more people are today successfully penetrating the vibratory prison, however, and they are therefore reconnecting with their greater self outside of the frequency net. This accomplishment is being facilitated as the blocking frequency is being dispersed in line with Divine Order, which is, in turn, responsible for the spiritual and psychic awakenings now evidenced all around the world. Yet only very few have been able to do this until recently, while the majority of human-beings have witnessed their vibratory rate fall and remain in check under the influence of events, religions, wars and general programming/conditioning which has encouraged, if not coerced, the race to close down its mind, thereby reducing the vibratory rate of consciousness of the masses. This has produced a vibratory gap - for some a chasm - between their lower levels of self inside the blocking frequency and their infinite potential (their greater self) which lies outside that frequency.

Within the prison is this physical level and some non-physical levels to which we return between physical incarnations. The rest of Creation has been denied to most people. The human-race has for ages been living out its existence inside a kind of metaphysical box with the lid held down. We sit in the dark, believing that our potential, and Creation in general, is limited to what is within that box, within that vibratory prison. Infinity in potential is so, so close on the other side of the box-lid, but we have not been allowed to see outside, and we have not realised that there is an outside. Over the ages since the vibratory net was cast around the Earth, we have been a people working to a fraction of our full and infinite potential. Life on Earth was changed dramatically by our extraterrestrial jailors, and this also affected the animal kingdom. The law of the jungle and the cruelty that we see within nature is not the way cosmic law intended it to be, nor the way it was before the veil came down. The good news is, however, that this period of disconnection is now entering its prophesied end time; the Garden of Eden is about to be restored on Earth.

In the period after the blocking frequency was created, the Fourth Dimensional extraterrestrials of the Luciferic mind-set genetically rewired human DNA, the inherited coding of the physical body. Over a period of time, this new DNA was passed on through the generations to everyone. The DNA determines the nature of the physical being and contains inherited memory of all the generations. If the DNA had been left alone, we would, while still living in a vibratory prison, at least know what happened to us and the nature of the problem. By scrambling the DNA, however, this knowledge, too, was lost to us. Human DNA before that time had twelve spirals known as helixes, but after the genetic tinkering this was reduced to two. Our potential and our inherited information source was therefore reduced very significantly. Even now there are parts of the DNA which have been identified that researchers have been unable to link to any apparent function. This has been termed "junk DNA", but it is almost certain that this disconnection of the other ten spirals of DNA has led to only a fraction of our brain's potential being actually used, as is widely acknowledged by neurologists today. Some more good news to celebrate - we are in the time when a process is unfolding which will reunite those DNA spirals within us and positively change the human-race forever.

These genetic events are described symbolically in the tale of Adam and Eve and the term 'the Fall of Man'. Many references may also be found in the ancient texts and legends to 'gods' coming from the skies to control humanity and impregnate women. In the Bible, Genesis 6:4 says that, "The sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them". The term 'sons of God' (which is common in almost all ancient religions) referred to the extraterrestrials. We hear of how God or the gods created humanity "in their own image".

The offspring of these extraterrestrial/human liaisons looked very different from the rest of the people. As Genesis 6:4 puts it: "In those days, and even later, there were giants on the Earth who were descendants of human women and the heavenly beings. They were the great heroes and famous men of long ago". The reason this-world-is-all-there-is science has been unable to find the missing link in human genetic evolution is because it does not exist. The sudden changes in the human form were due to extraterrestrial intervention. This is possibly an origin of the Virgin Mother legends which are also found throughout the world. In what is now China, there was a "sky god" called Di who was said to have miraculously impregnated a virgin, who then gave birth to Zu, the first of the new genetic line. All over the ancient world, we find that the royal families were supposed to have originated with the sky gods - extraterrestrials. Records left by the ancient civilisations of Mesopotamia say that their pyramidal towers known as ziggurats were built for intercourse between an Earthly priestess and a god from the sky.

On a tomb found in Rome and dated between the 1st and 4th Centuries AD the inscription read: "I am a son of the Earth and the stars of the sky, but I am of the celestial race. May the knowledge be passed on". The birth of Jesus, as described in the gnostic gospels also has similarities to modern day ET experiences. The Protoevangelion of James is the oldest of the gnostic gospels which were removed from Christian orthodoxy at the notorious Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The gnostic text describes the birth of Jesus and how people and animals froze in mid-gesture in a powerful, though temporary paralysis, while Joseph and the midwife were unaffected. This is very much a theme of ET contactee/abductee experiences. The text goes on:

And the midwife went away with him, and they stood in the place of the cave. And behold - a luminous cloud overshadowed the cave. And the midwife said: "My soul has been magnified this day because mine eyes have seen strange things - because salvation has been brought forth to Israel". And immediately the cloud disappeared out of the cave, and a great light shone in the cave, so that the eyes could not bear it. And in a little while that light gradually decreased until the infant appeared and went and took the breast of his mother, Mary.

Associations with "gods" and "clouds" are endless in the ancient legends and texts, and what about the "star" that was supposed to have hovered over the birth-place of Jesus? Could that have been an interdimensional spacecraft? In the biblical Revelations we hear of the New Jerusalem descending from the sky (Rev 22:10) and Christ returning "with the clouds" (Rev 1:7). Was Jesus a member of a positive extraterrestrial race who became incarnate to help humanity get out of prison?

The native American tribe, the Iroquois, have a legend of a maiden marrying the chief of the sky people. The geologist, Christian O"Brien, reports that Hebrew and Sumerian texts refer to a race of beings known as the "Shining Ones", a term he connects with the Hebrew word "Elohim". It is no coincidence that the Devas from the Sanskrit and the Angels of Christianity are also "Shining Ones". The Incas of Peru refer to "Shining Ones" too. O"Brien says that it was the beings known as Elohim who created modern humanity from early human forms through genetic manipulation. He adds that some of them, the "Watchers" in the Book of Enoch mated with humans and he indicates that the alleged founders of the Semitic race, Shemjaza and Yahweh, were among the extraterrestrial "Watchers" and "Shining Ones".

An Israeli scholar, Zecharia Sitchin, used the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian writings to support his belief that modern humans were created by extraterrestrials called the Nephilim. UFO abductees today have also spoken of communications with extraterrestrials who described how they created the bodies of the present human race and manipulated our DNA; there are many references by abductees to having sexual intercourse with extraterrestrials while on the spacecraft. Not all of these stories will be true, nor all the theories and details accurate, but if you take note of the common themes, a picture starts to form. A number of different extraterrestrial civilisations seeded the different races on Earth and this explains the obsession that some have with racial purity. Most will not relate this to an extraterrestrial origin, but at a deep, subconscious level, this is what is motivating them.

The Earth is far older than science has imagined, and a whole stream of extraterrestrial civilisations has settled and developed here which are not mentioned in the history books. Most of them before "the Fall" were far more highly evolved, both technologically and spiritually, than humanity is today. Life is not always about progressing, however; if something happens to disconnect us from our true potential, we can also go backwards. It depends upon the knowledge and potential which is available to us.

In the epochs known as Lemuria and Atlantis, men lived in what we would call a science fiction world, in which amazing things were possible, as was also true in civilisations even before those. Mankind began to go backwards when the jamming frequency was installed, and the levels of consciousness which contained the knowledge enjoyed before recorded human history were denied to us. The prison door slammed shut, but today it is being opened again.

So, human civilisation did not begin on Planet Earth. It was spawned upon this planet from other areas of the galaxy, and perhaps even beyond. Some researchers aver that the first humans on Earth came from the star-system called Vega, 26 light years from here, and whose sun is three times the size of ours. It is the brightest star in the constellation of Lyra and the fifth brightest in our sky. Modern humanity originated genetically from other star systems, and its progenitors took the opportunity to populate and experience this magnificent new planet. Genetic manipulation - both positive and negative - has continued ever since to advance or control the species, depending on the mind-set of the extraterrestrial "parents".

Another theme which connects channelled information from many sources purporting to be extraterrestrial civilisations and the symbolic stories in the ancient texts and legends across thousands of years is that of war in the heavens, a war between extraterrestrial civilisations for control of this galaxy. This relates to the struggle between two streams of consciousness on the Fourth Dimension for the control of this one. It has been a long and bitter battle with humanity and the Earth as the pawns and chess-board. The Indian Vedas contain stories that describe a high-tech battle on Earth and in the skies. All hell broke loose in parts of this galaxy long ago, as extraterrestrials battled for power with their highly advanced toys. Films like Star Wars and other science-fiction stories are possibly the result of the writers accessing their deep memories or even having direct knowledge of what happened.

Some of the places which crop up most often in channelled information relating to these conflicts are the systems of Orion, Sirius and the Pleiades. Interesting, then, that these were at the fore of ancient beliefs and worship on Earth over thousands of years, across scores of cultures. The pyramids at Giza and the giant spider drawn in ancient times on the planes of Nazca, Peru, are exactly aligned with Orion.

The aim of the negative extraterrestrials in relation to the Earth was to turn humans into little more than a slave race. This has been a theme all along and remains so today, although in another form. Instead of controlling us physically by occupation of the planet, over the past few thousand years they have sought to do so by working through our consciousness from other dimensions. There came a period after ancient Babylon and Egypt when, for some reason, they no longer came here in the same way. Maybe they were forced out by other extraterrestrials who were trying to help us. Maybe it was vibratory changes that took place. Either way, they began to work mostly through the human mind from the Fourth Dimension, and this replaced the physical occupation of the past. They do still come here, however, and in increasing numbers in more recent times.

The Lord of the Rings by J.R.Tolkien has themes of war between the human-like hobbits and the little grey orcs which many believe resemble what has actually happened on Earth, even down to the descriptions of subterranean laboratories which mirror the claims of that which is occurring today in the underground bases and genetic laboratories in America and other countries.

All such themes, channelled or otherwise, are connected, and that connection is the Luciferic Consciousness. It is a collective consciousness (dubbed the Antichrist by Christianity), the total of all minds - human and extraterrestrial - thinking within an extreme negative frequency range. While it is not possible for one person or group to destabilise a planetary system with their thoughts alone, it is certainly possible for a multidimensional collective consciousness to do so.

As everything is created by thought, and all matter is subordinate to thought, all physical events are the result of a thought or thoughts of some kind affecting matter. All of the events which caused mayhem in this galaxy took place within the confines of the vibratory prison, created by the Luciferic Consciousness. This consciousness can work through any life form - human or extraterrestrial - which is operating within its vibratory range. The Luciferic Consciousness is an extremely negative thought-pattern, or range of thought-patterns. Anyone whose attitudes are within that range can be captured by it and turned into a vehicle for its will. When the Luciferic Consciousness locks into an individual's consciousness, it, in effect, becomes their "mission control", their guide and master. If, however, our intent remains loving and positive, it cannot affect us directly because our energy fields (auras) will be vibrating within a range much higher than the Luciferic band. There is no resonance established. The "Luciferic broadcast" is not received by a consciousness "tuned" to a different frequency, just as a radio receiver only picks up stations within a defined bandwidth at any given time.

There were efforts made during Atlantean times to break the vibratory stronghold, the blocking vibration on Earth. The volunteers for this cause were mostly from the more positive consciousness stream on the Fourth Dimension. There was an influx of beings into our planetary prison, the box, who attempted to change the Earth vibration and to break the controlling frequency. It was, for a time, partially successful, but Atlantis ultimately became a very negative place under influence from the Luciferic stream, and it suffered a violent end. Today, those same Children of Light plus "emergency recruits" are in incarnation and are about to succeed where Atlantis failed, allowing humanity to return to wholeness and oneness, to reconnect with its full potential and to reverse the Fall of Man.

An important point to make about the vibratory hijack is the nature of "food" and nourishment. On this physical level our bodies need physical food to sustain them. But on other frequencies of reality, in the non-physical realms of consciousness, the food is subtle energy. The more energy of like vibration which can be created, the bigger the meal. The energy that the Prison Warder/Luciferic Consciousness absorbs and from which it derives its power is negative energy. The more of that which can be created, the more powerful it can potentially become, and the more unbalanced, too, of course. Emotions like fear, guilt and anger can, if not balanced by positive emotions, produce vast supplies of negative energy. A war becomes a banquet. We are generating energy all the time and the psychically sensitive can feel or see it. If humanity can be manipulated to be full of fear, guilt and anger etc., the vibratory box in which we live becomes a production line for negative energy. For the Prison Warders, lunch is served!

It is interesting that today's stories about negative extraterrestrials presently at large upon Earth speak of them living off negative human emotions and seeking to stimulate events and circumstances in which more extreme negative energy will be created. This is a key reason why the Luciferic Consciousness has worked through human minds to stimulate the horrors of history and today. These events are not the result of an evil human nature. They are manufactured by manipulating human nature and its sense of reality. Also, the animal and human sacrifices to the "gods" which abound throughout history and in cultures all over the world were performed to serve the negative extraterrestrials" need for such energy and perhaps for some portions of the physical body also. The Aztecs in Central America, who sacrificed untold numbers of people to the "gods", are but one example of this. Fortunately, most extraterrestrials are not of this extreme negative mind-set, and a host of positive ET civilisations are at work today on various wavelengths around this planet in order to assist the spiritual transformation to freedom which has now begun. They are here to help us.

Our consciousness is a series of interconnecting magnetic energy- fields, and the greater our understanding and openness of mind, the quicker those energy-fields vibrate. After the prison door was closed, those trapped inside were encouraged and manipulated to close their minds, and this still continues today, of course. All the positive extraterrestrials can do upon a free will planet is to give us the opportunity to open our minds and raise ourselves vibrationally to reconnect with our infinite selves. This is what they are seeking to do with phenomena like the crop patterns.

It is quite simple really. The positive Fourth Dimensional (and higher) extraterrestrials are trying to open our minds and hearts, and the negative ones are seeking to keep them closed. Our minds cannot be opened by extraterrestrials just landing on the White House lawn. That would not open the collective human mind; it would blow it! Look at the mass panic caused in 1938, when Orson Wells presented his radio show, War of the Worlds, which purported to be a live broadcast about a landing by extraterrestrials. The mind is like a muscle; the more you use it, the better it works and the bigger it becomes. So we are given hints and signposts by the positive extraterrestrials which stretch our consciousness to understand and trigger the memories we hold at a deeper level. The negative ET', in contrast, wish to keep from us any information which would stimulate us spiritually.

A few people throughout history have been able to significantly open their minds and expand their consciousness to the point where they have raised their vibratory rate beyond that of the prison vibration and so have reunited fully with the rest of themselves and Creation. This process has been called "enlightenment", "transfiguration" or "liberation" in the past, and is known as "ascension" today - getting out of jail. It announces itself in the words attributed to Jesus and similar historical luminaries: "I and my Father are one". We see many of these people in the history books. They were able to raise their consciousness while in physical embodiment, to connect with frequencies outside the prison and so understand the nature of the predicament humanity is in. They were often ridiculed, condemned and persecuted because they were speaking from a knowledge accessed from levels outside the blocking vibration, while most of the people of whom they were attempting to help could conceive only of the world they knew and saw all around them. They could remember no other.

The Luciferic Consciousness knows well that each individual creates their own reality. Our physical reality is a creation of the thoughts we hold onto, past and present. These create an energy-pattern within us which is then cast around us in the form of a magnetic cape or aura. This attracts to us a reality in terms of people, places and events which exactly reflects our own self-created pattern, how we see ourselves. The key to this reality is thought. If you can manipulate someone's thoughts and view of themselves, you are creating that person's reality and, as a result, their experience. More than that, people will generally pass onto their children many of their own views and beliefs, thus manipulating - often with the best intentions - how the children view themselves, their potential and the world. This affects the children's sense of self, and creates their corresponding reality. In short, once you can manipulate the thoughts of one generation, it gets easier to impose your will on future generations because you now have the programmed parents and leaders unconsciously working on your behalf. The foundation of the global manipulation today is the manipulation of the individual human mind and its view of self and the world. The global conspiracy (with the Prison Warder consciousness at the apex of the pyramid) is an age old conspiracy to manipulate the human race's sense of self and, in doing so, the creation of its reality.

Today, the stranglehold of the controlling negative forces upon Earth is extremely advanced and is choking the very life from our planet. The effects of this are evident everywhere in the form of fear, separation, war, disease and multifarious kinds of disharmony on all levels. Indeed, our world is now near-saturated with evil (ignorance), and it is such an ominous condition which has necessitated the greatest influx of Divine Emissaries to our planet ever in Earth's history. It is a sad fact that if humanity were left to its own devices it would presently annihilate itself together with the whole planet. However, this cannot be allowed to happen, for as a vital organ in the Solar Body and also as a nexus of indispensable knowledge and information, our planet is far too important to many other forms of life throughout the galaxy. Consequently, the grip of the Luciferic Consciousness upon Earth is now weakening and is about to end completely as the imposition of the vibratory prison is at last being lifted, while the Prison Warders who have held mankind captive for so many ages are soon to be expelled once and for all. Humanity's final liberation - or Deliverance - is nigh, and today every single man and woman is being invited to help in the One Great Divine Work on Earth which shall bring about the consummation of the long-prophesied Destiny of Ages.

The following in-depth interview with David Icke is a copy of the front page story of the August 3, 1999 issue of The SPECTRUM newspaper.

Are "Their" Aliens Among Us?

The Biggest Secret

An Interview With David Icke

7/30/99 RICK MARTIN

David Icke has become a highly sought-after lecturer, worldwide, and it is no wonder. His books in recent years have covered the full range of topics concerning the so-called "elite" global controllers and their stranglehold on the masses.

His most recent book, titled The Biggest Secret, is his most daring work to date. To say that it takes on even more than its title suggests, is still quite an understatement.

On July 8, 1999, I caught up with David, by telephone, in London. While he was recovering from a prolonged bout with a flu bug, and we would have been thankful with just a short interview under the circumstances, I think you will agree with me that he was in fine form during this conversation.

David hits hard on a wide range of topics, some of which will, surely, stretch your beliefs and expand your thinking. This is, literally, a "fasten your seatbelts and hold on to your hat" kind of conversation which captures David’s riveting speaking style as best that can be done in print.

If you do not read this interview with an open mind, you will probably just dismiss the entire thing. But as a careful reading of The Biggest Lie will reveal, David has definitely done his homework—as usual!

As David told me, he has just done a month in Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, and America. He is now, as I write, in South Africa for a month, then back to America in September. He is confirmed in Seattle, Washington to speak at Washington State CTC from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. on September 25; tickets for that event are available through Ticketmaster (206) 628-0888. His schedule for other events may be accessed through his website which is: <www.davidicke.com   >. His very controversial video tape with Illuminati mind-control victim Arizona Wilder, is available from Bookworld and elsewhere, but for your convenience The SPECTRUM is also carrying this video Revelations of a Mother Goddess and his newest book The Biggest Secret; see back page for ordering information. If you would like to contact David for a speaking engagement or conference, he may be reached by calling Royal Adams at 602-657-6992 or fax at 602-657-6994. British or European inquiries may be made at Bridge of Love on 01983 566002.

With all of that said, sit back and read the latest insights from a researcher who has dared to probe into the darkest corners and speak out on some areas that, to-date, seemingly no one, on a global scale, has been willing to touch. It is very appropriate that two of David’s other books include: And The Truth Shall Set You Free and The Robot’s Rebellion.

We are in a time when personal responsibility is the challenge affecting us all—big time! What if each of us simply made a resolution to follow the three suggestions David makes near the end of his conversation? Sometimes the simplest ideas to put into words are the hardest to truly carry out.

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Martin: I’m talking to you at the seat of global power today, namely London. Not only are you located at the seat of power, but there are many horrific and nasty things taking place behind the seemingly respectable old stone walls of those various places.

Icke: Right, absolutely.

Martin: As our readers are very well versed on the Global Controllers generally, let’s cut to the chase with the bad news first and go from there. What is The Biggest Secret, as your new book is so appropriately titled?

Icke: The biggest secret that’s emerging is that back in the ancient world, we can debate when, but certainly you can pick it up around 5,000 B.C., a series of bloodlines emerged, particularly but not exclusively—particularly, really, the focus of power was in the Near and Middle East.

These bloodlines became the leaders and the Royal lines of that ancient Near and Middle Eastern area. This bloodline would appear to go back to an extra-terrestrial intervention which created hybrid bloodlines. This, I think, is referred to in the Old Testament which is, of course, just an edited rewrite of more ancient texts where it talks about the "sons of God" who interbred with the "daughters of men", creating the hybrid line, the Nefilim/Nephilim. When you go back to the Hebrew, the "sons of God" become the "sons of the gods". And so often when you see the translation into the English, the King James version of the Bible, as God in the Old Testament, it actually is translated from the word meaning gods.

And these bloodlines moved over as time went on and became the British and European Aristocracy and Royal Families. The incessant interbreeding between these family lines is not due to snobbery, but their desire to hold a specific genetic structure.

Thanks to—well, let’s go back a little. The focus in the ancient world of these bloodlines appears to be in Babylon, and eventually they moved their epicenter to Rome. And it was when they were in Rome, epicentering in Rome, that we had the Great Roman Empire.

This was a key point in the historical expansion of the power of these bloodlines across the planet. Eventually, one of their number, called William of Orange, to whom every surviving Royal Family in Europe is related, was manipulated onto the throne of England in 1689, and he was the one who signed the Charter that created the Bank of England in 1694.

At that point, this group—call it the Illuminati, for want of a better word—these bloodlines, in other words, moved their epicenter at an operational level, because it has other levels all around the world, but at an operational level, the spider in the center of the pyramid became London. And then, of course, as years unfolded, came this key time in the expansion of these bloodlines, the Great British Empire, and as a result of that they were able to move into the Americas, Australia, Africa, and New Zealand. They show up as far as China.

It was said that the Sun never set on the British Empire. Well, when you see the size of Britain, compared with the world—when I was a kid it was a great mystery to me how these small islands you can hardly see on the globe actually had an empire that spanned the world. But now I do understand that it was not the British Empire at all, it was the empire of these bloodlines, that had centered themselves in Britain, which is a very different thing.

Now, what happened, it’s increasingly becoming clear, is that these bloodlines then took the positions of power in these countries of the British Empire. But, there are two forms of power. There’s overt power, dictatorship—you can see it, feel it, touch it and taste—and they always have a finite life because eventually, when people know they’re in a dictatorship, in a prison, they’ll rebel against it. The most effective form of control, and this is what happened when the so-called European Empires, like the British Empire, started to roll-back, particularly in this century, they replaced overt in-your-face control with covert control.

And that is the ultimate control, because people do not rebel against not being free when they think they are. And so, what happened as these empires, as the British Empire, rolled-back on the surface, and of course, "Oh, the great British Empire is over, poor old Britain has lost her power", they actually left out in those countries the bloodlines and the secret society networks through which they work and they’ve gone on running those countries, including not least, in fact, most and emphatically, the United States, ever since it was formed.

And when you look at the genealogy of American Presidents, it is utterly astonishing in support of this. There are about 260 million Americans, at the moment. And if you add up all those who have called themselves American since 1776, it will run into hundreds and hundreds of millions. Well, 42 of those hundreds of millions have actually become President of the United States. You would think, on the law of averages alone, that those 42 would have some tremendous genetic diversity. Well, they don’t.

According to Burke’s Peerage, the bible of Aristocratic and Royal genealogy based in London, every American election since and including George Washington, in 1789, has been won by the candidate with the most European Royal genes. 33 of the 42 are genetically related to two people: Charlemagne (King), the most famous monarch of what we call France, and Alfred the Great, the King of England. They’re the two countries, overwhelmingly, France and Britain, out of which these bloodlines came in Europe.

Now, since The Biggest Secret came out, and I told the story in there of how these bloodlines came out of the Near and Middle East, how the blueprint of control by religion was formed in Babylon, where their Trinity of Nimrod, Tammuz the Sun, and Queen Semiramis the female, there was mirror in terms of the stories of the later Jesus stories, and many other stories in other cultures that relate to exactly the same stories using different heros, since I wrote in the book that the Gospels were actually written by a Roman Aristocratic family called the Pisos, Piso. Since I wrote in the book that these stories were eventually taken and turned into a religion by, most notably, the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine the Great, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., and, of course, what came out of that, eventually, was the Roman Church which became the Christian religion.

Since I wrote in the book that one of the key bloodlines that I am identifying is the Merovingian bloodline that came out of the Near and Middle East into France, and, of course, has been widely written about in various books in the recent ten years or so, since I noted that in the book that the British Royal Family, including King George III, were these bloodlines, since all of that, I have, in the last ten days come across the genealogy of the George Bush family, including, of course, George W. Bush, who, surprise, surprise, is being pushed as the year-2000 President. It only turns out that the Bush family and the Roosevelt family, who are of the same line, are genetically related to Alexander the Great, who, I think it’s around 300 B.C., plundered this very area—I’m talking about Egypt, what we call now Israel, down to Babylon and across to India—this whole area I’m talking about, the Bush family and the Roosevelt family are related to him, genetically. They are related to the Piso family, the Roman aristocratic family who wrote the Gospel stories originally. They’re genetically related to Constantine the Great, the Roman Emperor who took those stories and turned it into the Christian religion, in effect, which makes the people who wrote the stories and the person who created the religion, the same bloodline.

They’re genetically related to Dagobert, one of the key Merovingian line. Dagobert was said to be one of the last surviving Merovingian line, but that’s not correct. The Bush family is also genetically related to George III, who was around when people like Benjamin Franklin were giving the American people the impression they were going to freedom, when actually they were going to covert control by Britain, which they’ve had ever since.

So when you look—and this is just a few headlines from the Bush line—when you look at the Bush line alone it supports, emphatically, these bloodlines that came out of that ancient Near and Middle Eastern area and have been brought through to be in positions of power, not least today. It is no accident, Rick, that George W. Bush, with that background, genetically, is the one they’re bringing through and throwing the money at to become president in the year 2000, which is a key year for them.

So, in effect, what I’m saying is that my research is very strongly pointing to the fact that the extraterrestrials are not coming, they’re not going to invade, they’ve actually been controlling this planet, increasingly, for thousands of years. And when I say extraterrestrials, I don’t mean all extraterrestrials, I mean I’m talking about this particular group. And it seems to me that the situation is this, that—oh, the House of Windsor, by the way, are one of these bloodlines, big-time, and they know it—they’re related to the Bushs, not surprisingly. Anyway, it seems that one of the key reasons that they are trying to hold this genetic structure is that this planet is actually controlled not from the physical level, which is just one level of it, but actually from what people call the lower astral, or I call the lower fourth dimension. It is the lower cess-pit end of the dimension closest to this one. And, it seems that, talking to people who have worked on the inside with these people and taken part in their rituals—indeed, in one case, conducted them—these lower fourth-dimensional entities who, of course, the satanic rituals interact with—the legendary realm of the folklore demons and all this stuff—that somehow, these particular genetic lines, in their most pure form, have a much greater vibrational reasonance and vibrational sympathy with the lower fourth dimension, and therefore, can be much more easily—what we would call—possessed and taken over by these lower fourth-dimensional entities, which kind of means that if you can put these particular bloodlines, the physical body, if you like, in a position of power, you’re actually putting these lower fourth-dimensional entities into positions of power, because they’re working through these particular lines.

And, again and again, when you get into the genealogy, my goodness me, that takes some time and sweat, you hit the same genetic lines when you’re looking at people in positions of power. It seems to me that these lower fourth-dimensional entities have actually been working through what we call the Illuminati to actually control the planet. And, while all this was unfolding, I started getting some very bizarre stories told to me.

Martin: I bet.

Icke: And the thing about my life, Rick, in the last 10 years or so, consciously walking this journey—I now realize that I was unconsciously doing it all of my life—is that suddenly a subject heading will come into my life, and once it’s appeared, I’m meeting people literally from all over the world, because I’ve been in 21 countries in the last two years now, and been back to quite a few of them, so I can start to see, as a result of traveling, these common themes that are coming up all over the world.

And one theme that came up last year, May ’98, it had been around a little bit but I put it on the back burner. There wasn’t enough evidence to talk about it, really. And that was that people had seen people in positions of power, not exclusively so, but overwhelmingly so, turn into a reptilian form and then go back to human. And, in a period of 15 days, in May 1998, I met 12 separate people in different parts of America from different walks of life and different backgrounds, in my travels, who told me the same story. I thought, "What in the hell is going on here?!"

When I came back to England, the sequence continued. I was asked by a couple of people, who were members of the House of Lords, in London, to go and talk to them at the House of Lords about the manipulation, which they also realized was going on. And I chatted with them for a while, and there was a lady at the meeting who kept saying some very interesting things about Diana, you know, the Princess of Wales. And, after the meeting, I said, "Look, hey, we gotta talk."

She said, "We have." And we went off and chatted.

I said, "Where did you get this information about Diana?"

She said, "My best friend was her closest confidant on things she couldn’t talk about to anyone else for nine years." Now, this lady has actually appeared in the press from time-to-time as being a close friend of Diana. Anyway, she said, "I think this lady might talk to you. She’s never talked to anyone else."

So, I went to see her and her name was Christine Fitzgerald. She starts telling me about the connection, all of the treatment of Diana by the Windsors, which was utterly, utterly outrageous. I haven’t talked to this lady Christine Fitzgerald about these bizarre stories I’m being told by people around the world. Then, as the conversation unfolded, she said, "Oh, do you know what Diana’s nickname for the Windsors was?"

I said, "No, go on."

She said, "The lizards or the reptiles." And she said, "She used to say, in all seriousness, ‘They are NOT human!’" Christine Fitzgerald went on to tell me: "You know, the Windsors are a reptilian line, they’re not human." And that "the British Royal Family, and its inter-linking bloodlines, are actually reptilian, they come from a reptilian extraterrestrial race."

And I’m thinking, "Bloody hell, not another one!"

And I came back here—about an hour and a half from London—my home is in England. I knew of a guy called Ted Heath, who was Prime Minister of Britain from ’70-’74, and I knew that he was involved in some serious horrendous things, like sacrificing children, and all this stuff, because of people who had seen it. And, a lady I knew, who had contacted me, wanted to tell me about her experiences with Ted Heath, so I went to see her, not to talk about shape-shifting reptilians, but to talk about Ted Heath and satanic ritual involving the elite of Britain.

And, again, but just as a quick incidental—when you follow these bloodlines from the ancient world to the present day, this satanic ritual, human sacrifice and blood ritual, even using the same deities in the rituals, is a common and constant, unchanging theme. So, it would be very surprising if the elite today weren’t into this, because these bloodlines always have been, just like Bush is into it and people like that. Anyway, I went to see this lady and she told me about her experiences with Heath and stuff.

In a place called Burnham Beeches, which is an area of forested land notorious for satanic ritual, among people who have studied these things, it just so happens that, although Burnham Beeches is on the outskirts of London, not far from Heathrow Airport, the place is actually owned by the City of London, the financial district which is the epicenter of this control. I just finished me cup o’ tea—you know how you do in her house—and I was just making my way to leave, after she told me this stuff, and I said to her, just to throw away a line as I left, I said, "You know, I’m having some bizare things happening to me at the moment." I said, "I keep meeting people who tell me that they’ve seen people shape-shift into bloody reptiles." And, honestly, she grabbed her chest and she was gasping for breath like she was having a seizure.

"Oh, my God," she said, "I thought it was only me." And she went on to tell me that she wasn’t going to say that to me because she thought that even I would find that unbelievable. She said, "All that stuff I’ve told you about Heath and seeing him in the satanic rituals and all that stuff," she said, "I wasn’t going to tell you what I also saw. He shape-shifted into a reptilian, during the ritual. What staggered me," she said, "is that none of the other participants were at all phased by it, as if it was a natural thing that always kind of happened."

This has gone on, Rick, to the present day. I was in Vancouver, speaking, and I met about 4 or 5 people who told me the same story, including a business woman, who is a real feet-on-the-ground, you know, power-dressing kind of 5,000 clients business woman. And she said she had this relationship with a guy who was Portuguese, and he just turned into a reptile in front of her.

I had just spoken at a financial conference about the manipulation of the world in the Bahamas, and two people there told me the same story. One told me how she was in a religious cult, and on one occasion, the cult leader changed into a reptile in front of her face. And she said, what was most amazing is that he focused on her, and the others couldn’t see it, but she could, and she said she just went out of the room and started driving and never stopped, really.

You know, this is now hundreds and hundreds of people who I’ve met from around the world, from many walks of life—a couple of television presenters who interviewed this guy live and, when they went back in the green room one said, "I had a very strange experience during that interview. The guy’s face turned into a bloody reptile."

"Oh, my God," said the other, "I saw his hands turn into a reptilian."

And so this is—then you look, of course, at the ancient world, and you start to see constant references to serpents and the serpent race. Not that all references are literal—I mean, there’s the serpent symbolism that’s used massively—but when you get, like, the Nagas, the gods of the ancient Hindu religion, who were said to be able to take human or reptilian form, and then, while this is going on, Rick, I thought, "I’m sure Cathy O’Brien mentioned bloody reptiles in [her candid and shocking book, with Mark Phillips, called] Trance-formation Of America."

Martin: Yes.

Icke: I got a copy of that, started flipping through the index, looking for reptiles, thinking, "My life is getting more bizarre by the minute."

Martin: (Laughter)

Icke: And, I’m going through the references in the book and, of course, Cathy talks in the book about being with George Bush and that George Bush—and she obviously took this to be part of the mind control, she took it to be a holographic image, it was part of the mind control—but when you put this other evidence together, well, hold on a minute.

She talks about being with George Bush, and him saying that they were an extraterrestrial race that came from a "far off space place" who’d taken over the world, and no one realized it because they look human. But, she said, he changed in front of her into a reptile. She talked about being with the Bennett brothers, these politicians, political figures in America, and how they put her through a mind-control program in which they said they came from another dimension and they were inter-dimensional beings.

And she had an experience during that time of seeing a White House cocktail party where everyone turned into bloody reptiles. And then she talks in the book about being with Miguel De La Madrid, in Mexico, who was, of course, President during the Bush years, and how he told her, she said in the book, the story of the Iguana race. And, Miguel De La Madrid said that an extraterrestrial reptilian race had interbred with the ancient Mexican people because they needed to create bloodlines or bodies they could work through, and these particular bloodlines could take either human or reptilian form. She says in the book that he actually shape-shifted, not totally, but facially, into a reptilian form when she was with him.

Now, when you start putting all of this together, Rick—I have a simple philosophy—I follow information, and I’ll go where it takes me. If you come from, anyone comes from, any belief or background, whether it be religious, political, or whatever, and they are rigid with it, then they’re never going to uncover what’s going on because that belief, that rigid belief, will start to edit information when it comes toward you, and you start editing-out information that’s taking you away and challenging your original belief-system.

I haven’t got any of that stuff, fortunately, and so I just follow information, and it’s taken me into these areas. Interestingly, too—and I’m just going back there, so I’m going to do some more on this—when I was in South Africa, about February last year, I met a Zulu shaman, a famous Zulu shaman in South Africa. I met with him for about five hours about various things.

He knew about the elite and the manipulation and the extraterrestrial connection, and all this stuff. He’s in his 70s now, I mean, he’s lived a long time in Africa, and is a very great expert on African legend and stories and experience. And he told me, during this chat, that he got a call in March of 1997—this is before the August when Diana died—and this caller said that she was the Princess of Wales and wanted to talk to him. Now, he didn’t believe this, at first, and he certainly didn’t believe it when she said to him that she was calling him from what, he termed, a supermarket phone. "Princesses don’t call from supermarket phones," he thought.

Well, when I talked to Christine Fitzgerald about two months later, her confidant, she said, "That makes absolute sense, because Diana knew that her phones at Kensington Palace were tapped, and when she wanted a clean line, she used to go into a local department store," to what this shaman would have been a supermarket, "to use the public phone to get a clean line."

This shaman told me—and he later realized they had a connection, one of his students was a relative of Diana—and, interestingly, this shaman talks a lot about extraterrestrial connections with humanity and his own extraterrestrial experiences, of which he has had some astonishing ones. Anyway, she said to him that she wanted to talk to him because she had something to reveal about the Windsors that would shake the world and she wanted advice in how best to do it. And, talking to a lady who I met after Christine Fitzgerald, a lady called Arizona Wilder, who claims to have conducted rituals for the British Royal Family, that Diana knew that they were actually shape-shifting reptilians who shape-shifted during the rituals and, I said to this shaman, "What was it she wanted to reveal about the Windsors?" And he said, "I can’t tell you, it’s just too terrible. I don’t want to get into any more trouble."

So, I said I knew that Diana knew that the Windsors were involved in the global drug-running operation and she knew that they were involved in that. And he just shook his head. He said, "Oh, no." He said, "It was much worse than that." And I’m going back there soon, so I’m going to have another go at finding exactly what it was.

But this Arizona Wilder lady, again, came on the scene after Christine Fitzgerald. I found her in Los Angeles, or near Los Angeles, and I went to see her, not to talk about shape-shifting reptilians, yet again, because I wasn’t talking about it at the time; I was just gathering information. I went to talk to her about the rituals she said she conducted for the British Royal Family, and the Bushs, the Kissingers, and people like that in America. Because Arizona Wilder, even though she’s got red hair today, is actually blond haired, with piercing blue eyes. And the blond-haired, blue-eyed thing is fundamentally involved in all of this stuff, and what have you. Anyway, that is why Project Monarch is overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, blond-haired, blue-eyed people.

I went to talk to her about the rituals that she says she conducted. So, we’re getting into this stuff, and she’s telling me about the rituals at Balmoral in which, you know, human sacrifice takes place in Scottland, the Queen’s Palace in Scotland, and also at Glames Castle and the Castle of Darkness, as it’s called, in Belgium, which Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler talk about in their book. And I had heard all of this from other sources, I mean, Christine Fitzgerald was talking about the stuff they got up to, but then, as the conversation unfolded, Arizona said to me: "But that’s not the most bizarre thing that happened."

And I thought, "Well, how much more bizarre can you get, the Queen of England sacrificing children?" And, she said, when the blood started to flow, they shape-shifted into reptiles. And, in their reptilian form, they’re very, very different—I mean, like, the Queen Mother, this sounds funny, really—but the Queen Mother is an old frail 99-year-old, but that’s the physical form in three-dimensional reality. But it’s not the physical form of the reptilian that’s working through her, according to these people.

And I got a call from a lady in America who is the head of Parents Against Ritual Abuse. And I was talking to her, again, not about shape-shifting reptilians, but about the ritual abuse of children in America, and she said during this conversation, "Do you know, about 12 of my clients have actually reported that, during the rituals, they’ve seen the participants turn into reptiles." And, she said, "I’ve always taken it to be that they’re dressing up to confuse them."

But when you take all of this together, Rick, all this emerging information, and since I’ve gone public on it, obviously, in the book, you start to attract people who know they can talk to you, because, you know, the thing that keeps this quiet most of the time is that people who know things and have seen things think, "Well, who’s going to believe me?"

And, interestingly—and this is a true story also, and it kind of sums up the way this has been unfolding—when The Biggest Secret was at the printers in January, I got a call in America from a guy, he was just a guy who read my other books, and he said, "Hey, you got a new book coming out?"

I said, "Yeah, it’s at the printers now."

He said, "What’s it about?"

I said, "Well, you’ll have to read it because some of it is so bizarre, if I told you about it, well, you’d think this is crazy."

So anyway, we go on chatting about what you do and where you’ve been and all this stuff. So then, after about ten or fifteen minutes into this conversation, he says, "Hey, you’re going to think I’m mad," he said, "but have you ever come across anyone who has seen people in positions of power, like Bush, Gorbachev, Kissinger, turn into reptiles?"

I thought, "Shit, not another!"

I said, "Well, why do you ask the question?"

He said, "Because I keep seeing this." He said, "When they come on the television, I keep seeing them turn into reptiles."

So, the story has gone on—interestingly, too! I can’t remember the exact word now, but I was interviewed on a radio station by the guy who does reverse speech. Have you come across that?

Martin: Yes, I have.

Icke: Well, he wanted to talk to me about some reverse speech they’d taken from a guy Ken Bacon—do you remember the guy who was the Pentagon spokesman, or White House spokesman—Pentagon spokesman, I think, during the Kosovo war, and they had done some reverse speech on him and said, "Do you know what this means? We can’t work it out."

And it was clear as day. He was making a statement about the war to the press, and in reverse it said something like, "We are the people of the snake and we"—something like, I can’t remember the exact wording now, I’ve got it on tape in America, basically—"we are the people of the snake and we look after our own" was basically the theme of what he said, clear as day, and I nearly dropped off the chair.

So, there is something in all of this which holds the key to understanding so much about how the world has been controlled, where this world is actually controlled from, and I would strongly suggest that what we are looking at with the Kissingers and the Bushs and the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and all these people, are actually the three-dimensional, physical expressions of a lower-fourth-dimensional consciousness and manipulation. And the physical Illuminati are merely the three-dimensional expression of the fourth-dimensional control of planet Earth.

And, interestingly too, when you go back and back and back, and you follow how the White race came out of the Near and Middle East, with these bloodlines within them, and you pick up one of those White races called the Phoenicians—they actually worshipped a guy called, one of their dieties was called, St. George, in Cappadocia, who they said defeated the dragon. And because the Phoenicians actually went around 3,000 B.C. to Britain and took what we now call the British culture—which, indeed, in various forms has become the world culture—St. George in Cappadocia (Cappadocia is in what we now call Turkey) became St. George of Britain.

And another diety that the Phoenicians worshipped and took to Britain was St. Michael, who, it was said, of course, threw the serpent into the abyss—or threw the serpent onto the Earth for the final battle and all this stuff. This battling-with-serpents stuff goes on and on.

The other thing that I’m connecting in The Biggest Secret—and more and more people are beginning to do this—is the connection between the Earth and Mars, because it seems to me that the cataclysms which destroyed so much of the Earth, which the geological record, as well as the ancient legends and accounts talk about, the massive cataclysms, probably one that destroyed what became known as Atlantis and there were later ones, too, were the same cause of that cataclysm, some renegade or out-of-control celestial body of some kind actually destroyed Mars. I’m just reading books about compilations of the evidence that’s been gathered about Mars, and there is tremendous evidence that Mars was actually a planet with an atmosphere very much like the Earth’s, in the very near past, certainly the last 20,000 years, even 10,000 years, possibly. And, I think there was a tremendous connection between a civilization on Mars and the Earth, and when this cataclysm destroyed Mars, the surviving "Martian" people, who could—well, I suggest, be what we call the White race today, genetically—actually came and settled here and re-emerged, eventually, as the Sumerian culture, the Egyptian culture, and those great civilizations of the ancient world. Interestingly, the connections between their symbolism, their dieties, their legends, and the planet Mars are absolutely extraordinary. So, there is something big-time to look at there.

And what Arizona Wilder has said, in that in her preparation and training to conduct the rituals, because she was obviously a Cathy O’Brien-type, multiple-personality-created-robot to do these rituals, she said, what she was told by the insiders during her training was that the White race and this reptilian race have actually been at war with each other for a long, long time, not just on planet Earth. And that somehow the reptilians want more than anything the blond-haired, blue-eyed genetic stream because there’s something in the blood that they want. She also suggests—I don’t know if this is true, I’m just quoting her—that the desperate need to conduct rituals and drink human blood, particularly blond-haired, blue-eyed blood, is because there’s something in there that they want, is actually part of their need to hold this human three-dimensional form, through which they can operate from the fourth dimension. And if they don’t get this blood, then they genetically start to fall-apart, in terms of the three-dimensional, apparently, human form.

Whether that’s true or whether it’s not true, and obviously I don’t know that, when you look at totally unconnected sources who talk about the involvement of the elite in these rituals, and stuff like that, they say again and again, that some of the most famous people in American politics, business, banking, and Britain too, like the Royal Family, are actually addicted to blood-drinking, and particularly addicted to an adrenaline that enters the blood at the point of sacrifice. And it’s like a theme, like I say, which you can follow back with these bloodlines, right back to the ancient world. And when I talk to therapists around the world who work with satanically abused people, those who survived, trying to give them their minds back, they tell me that the deities their clients tell them are used in these rituals today are exactly the same deities that the Babylonians were using and the Cainites were using and the Phoenicians were using, right back in the ancient world.

So, The Biggest Secret for me, in summary, is that an extraterrestrial race has interbred with humanity, creating particular hybrid bloodlines which they can work through from this dimension very close to ours, and that as it expanded over the thousands and hundreds of years to the present day, they’ve managed to expand their power out of a power base in the Near and Middle East, other places too but particularly there, until today they are actually in control of the planet.

And it is the ultimate control because they’re controlling the planet from another dimension, but most of humanity doesn’t even think that there are other dimensions. And this suppression of knowledge about other dimensions, the suppression of knowledge of the nature of life, the nature of frequencies and vibrations, and the eternal nature of consciousness, for reasons that this Illuminati has created religions to suppress—indeed, make so off-limits for many thousands of years just talking about these things—is to suppress the very knowledge or even perception that there could be any other dimension or any other levels of life, which means that they can go on controlling humanity from levels of existence that most of humanity doesn’t even accept exist. I mean, you can’t get better forms of control than that.

Martin: Ok. A couple of questions come to mind from what you’ve just said. One, which is not a question that I would particularly ask, but I’m sure other readers might: Have you encountered any credibility issues since you have gotten into the reptilian subject?

And then, after you cover that: Obviously there is a Divine Hand overseeing the entire planetary transition. What would you say to those readers who despair over the apparent hopelessness at the hands of these elite controllers?

Icke: Right, well, yeah, that’s a big question. First of all, let’s answer the credibility thing. Let’s make very clear where I’m coming from. First of all, I really do not give a shit what anyone thinks of me and what I do. What I care passionately about is trying to uncover what’s going on so that it can be stopped and changed, and I care passionately about everyone having the right to hear all information and not just that which will lead us to a certain limited conclusion. I am completely emotionally detached from how people receive what I do, because if I wasn’t, you’d just go crazy.

People have a right to believe whatever they want to believe, and that includes the right to dismiss whatever I say. I don’t have a problem with that. I have a problem with the suppression of the communication of information. So, how people receive it is completely up to them, and it’s their absolute right to accept it, accept a bit of it, or just dismiss the lot. That’s up to them. So, I don’t have a problem with that, it’s of no importance to me how people receive it. It’s important to me that they have the right to have access to it.

On the other side of it, however, I would say this: I’ve spoken all around the world about this, and The Biggest Secret has now been out for a few months. I mean, you know, we’re now into 30,000 print-runs on this book. I mean, it’s extraordinary, the interest in it. And, what has staggered me is that I’ve actually stood up on public stages all over the world and talked about this, and the reaction, while it has been one of astonishment to start with, it actually makes sense to incredible numbers of people when they sit long enough to hear the evidence. Because I’m not standing up there and asserting this is what’s going on, that’s what’s going on. I’m saying this is the information, this is what people are experiencing, look at the support of it in the ancient world. There is a case to answer here, something is going on.

So, the way it has been received has been staggering. What I find disappointing—it doesn’t really matter to me, but I find disappointing because of it’s effect—is the way that some conspiracy researchers, who are always saying that there’s suppressed information and all this stuff, actually want to suppress the information I’m presenting that they don’t like as well.

Martin: Right.

Icke: It’s extraordinary. I mean, people talk about freedom, Rick, and yet they don’t understand what it is. So often, when I talk to people about freedom and they say, "Yeah, we want freedom." If you talk to them long enough, you find that they don’t actually want freedom. They want the freedom to replace an imposition they don’t like with an imposition they do!

You know, this is when you get the Christian Patriot Movement, of which I have great sympathy in the way that they are trying to expose some levels of the conspiracy, but you know, I don’t see much of a difference between an imposed culture and imposed thought through the Illuminati being replaced by an imposed thought through "one nation under God". Because when you say, "Well, whose God are we talking about here?" Their’s, of course, is the Christian version of God. That’s no more freedom than anything else. So, I find it sad that, even though "divide and rule" is actually the foundation of all control by the few of the many, throughout human history, without it you couldn’t do it, that conspiracy researchers and people in some of the religions still fall for this scam of divide and rule.

So, actually, some of the most fierce abuse that I’ve had since the book came out has not been from the public, actually, it’s been from some other conspiracy researchers who can’t get their head around anything beyond the physical. You know, be my guest. But surely whether we agree with each other or not, what a boring world if we did agree with everything we all said. Surely if we’re going to get to the heart of this, we need to focus on what we’re all agreed on, which is the need to expose that this world is controlled.

Now, I might have a certain view, based on the information that I’ve uncovered, of who is controlling it and all that stuff, but let’s say, "Well, I don’t agree with you on that, I can’t get my head around that, I haven’t done that research anyway, so I don’t know." But let’s agree on what we agree on, and let’s go together, united, behind the desire for freedom in the world. But instead of that, once somebody writes anything or says anything that’s different, to even the conspiracy norm, because that norm has now started to emerge, another bloody prison, then other conspiracy researchers start laying-into and abusing each other. I mean, some of the stuff that goes around on the Internet with conspiracy people abusing each other, I mean, I reach for the sick-bag. I mean, the statement that "a few can’t control the world" is a piece of cake to knock down.

But the third point that you make is a very, very important one because this is a whole area of research and understanding which I’m now moving deeper and deeper into. We are multi-dimensional beings. We have part of our consciousness working directly through the physical form, in three-dimensional embodiment, in three-dimensional awareness, but we exist on all other dimensions. In the end, we are everything. You know, everyone is the same energy consciousness, we are everything in the end.

There’s only an "I", not even a "we", when you get to the highest level of all this. But, I’ve actually talked about this in bits and pieces in previous books, but I’m beginning to understand this more and more, now.

I suggested in And The Truth Shall Set You Free that we could well be living inside a vibrational prison, that somehow a vibrational net had been thrown around this third dimension which made it very, very difficult for three-dimensional embodied consciousness—if you like, the consciousness that’s looking through the eyes and hearing through the ears—to connect with its multi-dimensional self.

And it seems to me that this lower fourth-dimensional level, that this elite-controllers group works on, and I want to emphasize this, Rick, very, very strongly—when I talk about reptilians, I am not talking about all reptilians. Just as when we talk about the Illuminati, we’re not talking about people in physical form. I’m talking about a particular group. I’m sure the reptilian form is a massive constant across great chunks of this galaxy and beyond, and I’m certainly not saying that anyone in reptilian form—any time anyone sees anyone in reptilian form, and there are a lot of people who do—and say, "I didn’t get bad vibes from them." Quite right, because we’re not talking about all reptilians, we’re talking a group that appears to take a reptilian form because that’s how people keep seeing these people in power. So, I would emphasize that very strongly because we don’t want to get into this "good guys/bad guys" crap or we lose the plot again. The truth is never black or white; it’s always a shade a gray, it seems to me.

What I’m beginning to more and more understand is that this lower fourth-dimensional level that this group operates from, this "Illuminati consciousness"—we’ll put it like that—is the frequency range that vibrates to the emotions of fear and the off-shoots of fear, like guilt, resentment, aggression, all these things. And, therefore, the more that events can be created on the Earth which generate—my goodness me, they do by the minute—the emotions of fear, guilt, resentment, etc., within the human form, we are actually turned into generators of energy for that lower fourth-dimensional frequency range, if you follow me. Because every time we feel emotion, the emotion of fear, our thought-emotional patterns are resonating energy around us and within us to that frequency of fear, which appears to relate very strongly to this lower fourth-dimensional level.

Now, where experiments have been done—I think the Institute of HeartMath in America has done a lot of this; it’s got an Internet site, it’s very interesting—they’ve done experiments measuring the frequency of various emotions, and they’ve shown that the frequency of fear is very low, slow. And when we’re feeling fear, it is actually reasonating our energy very slowly. When we feel the emotion of what we call love, in it’s truest sense, that is a very fast frequency which actually reasonates our energy very quickly. It’s like waves going through and resonating the energy, which is just neutral. I mean, thought reasonates the energy. Do you want it fast? Do you want it slow? What were you thinking? What were you feeling?

So the more—this is vital to understanding this on a higher level, I would suggest—the more that humanity lives it’s life in fear and the off-shoot emotions that come from fear, the slower the vibrational reasonance of consciousness working directly through the physical form. If the highest expression of ourselves, beyond this lower fourth-dimensional "cess-pit" vibration, as I call it, is operating at a higher wavelength than fear, and ultimately at the wavelength of love, what I would suggest is the highest wavelength of all—just like Radio America cannot sync with Radio Philadelphia because they are on different wavelengths—the wavelength of fear cannot sync with the higher wavelengths of love and other states of being.

So, in essence, as long as humanity can—in physical embodiment, that level of our consciousness—be kept and immersed in the emotion of fear, we actually vibrationally disconnect and can do nothing else, can do nothing other than disconnect from the highest expressions of who we are. We can’t do anything other than that.

So, coming to the question, Rick, and it’s a very important one, "How do we get out of here?" and "Where are the good guys?"—I keep hearing, "Where are the people coming to help us?"

Well, those of an emotional-mental state of being that wish to set—not in embodiment, I mean other-dimensional beings—who are of an intent to set the planet free, they are of a level of vibrational reasonance, as a result of that state of being, in which they cannot connect with consciousness that is in a state of fear. It simply cannot happen because there is a vibrational gap between the two. This is the vital point I would suggest, anyway.

It’s not that those of higher-dimensional consciousness who wish to set us free have to connect with us; it’s that we, in fear, have need to connect with them. And the only way of doing that is through breaking out of fear; it’s breaking out of the three-dimensional illusion, the movie screen, the holographic kind of virtual reality game that we’re looking at when we open our eyes, and getting into the wavelength of love, in it’s true sense.

Because when we start to vibrate as a result of that state of being, to the energy of love, and our intent is freedom for all, not just ourselves, freedom in its true sense—freedom for you to say what I don’t agree with, freedom for you to live your life-style in a way that I wouldn’t live mine—that level of true freedom, that I will stand for your freedom to say something that I disagree with as much as I’ll stand for mine to say what I think—when you hit that level, then your state of being starts to vibrate faster and faster, and starts to reach through this vibrational prison of low-vibrational emotion, fear overwhelmingly, and reconnect with the higher dimensions of ourselves; we start to become whole again.

Then we become lights or beacons that can bring this higher-dimensional knowledge/consciousness/understanding into embodiment and start to become like broadcast transmitters of it, which starts to reasonate and change the energy field that we’re living in, and starts to break-up this fear-based energy field that we’ve been living in all this time—and have been manipulated to add to every time we think and feel fear.

So, again, it’s about responsibility by me. It’s not about saying, "Come and save us!" It’s about saying, "How do we connect with those who can guide us out of this abyss?"

What if this abyss is actually a lower vibrational energy field caused by the overwhelmingly dominating fear emotion on planet Earth. We have actually feared ourselves into a low vibrational state, which has put us into a vibrational prison controlled from this lower fourth dimension, which is expert at manipulating fear because that is the vibration of it’s being.

And if we could just turn that around and start resonating—by our own actions and our own thoughts and our own state of being—to the emotion of love, which is not "I love you darling because I saw you in the disco." Love is the ultimate power because it will speak it’s truth and walk it’s talk and do what it believes to be right, no matter what the consequences to itself. That’s the kind of love I’m talking about.

Because love has no fear—the emotion that actually takes our power away—so love without fear must be the ultimate power. If we can get into that state, we start to reconnect with those levels. So we say, "Where are they?" Well, they’re sitting around waiting for us to connect with them, but we have to make the connection. Otherwise these other higher dimensions, that are seeking to help us and of which we are a part, would have to come into the wavelength of fear to connect with us—which would actually defeat the object of the whole thing.

Martin: You continually use the term "problem, reaction, solution". For those readers who are not aware what that is, would you explain?

Icke: It’s the most powerful mass-manipulation technique that has been used over thousands of years to advance this agenda to central, globalized control of all institutions of our lives. Kosovo, Bosnia, all of these different manipulated wars and problems—the Oklahoma City bombing, people going crazy with guns around the world, in schools and stuff, these are classic expressions of this.

If you want to introduce something like gun control, I think on gun control we got manipulated into the wrong debate. Whether guns are good, or whether guns are bad is actually a debate worth having, but it’s not the crucial debate at this moment because what’s happened by pulling us into this debate of "are guns good or are guns bad?" is that it has actually diverted people from the debate which we should actually be having in light of these events—which is why we have this pattern all over the world.

Because I travel a lot, I tell you, it’s happening everywhere, people going crazy with guns, shooting people in the streets or schools, and then immediately legislation being proposed to take guns out of circulation. People should remember that gun laws were introduced in Germany just before Hitler started filling concentration camps.

I don’t have guns. I wouldn’t use guns. I’m not into guns. I don’t see the point in meeting violence with violence because you get twice the violence. But we need to get street wise. Some people would use guns, and on the face of it, it will be easier to take over an unarmed population than an armed population, on the face of it. That’s not actually true, but on the face of it that appears to be true. And, therefore, what better than taking guns out of circulation before you’ve had your final coup, if you like. So, "problem, reaction, solution" overcomes the situation in which, if you introduced what you want to introduce, openly, then you know that it would be so unpopular that you would get tremendous resistance to it.

For instance, if you wanted to give more power to the police, more power to the military, more power to stop and search, more power to go into your homes without permission, etc., and you did that openly without any of this other incentive-manipulation, there’d be tremendous resistance from people who say, "This is a global, fascist state!" or "This is a fascist country! You mustn’t do this; we’re not having it!" So "problem, reaction, solution" overcomes this. It’s a brilliant technique, very simple, and it means that not only do you avoid such opposition, you actually manipulate people who would normally oppose what you want, to see it as the only solution to the problems that have been created and demand you introduce it.

So, in Stage One, you create a problem. You make sure, however, someone else is blamed for it—a Timothy McVeigh, a Lee Harvey Oswald, President Milosevic, and all this stuff—you create a problem. You could create a war, as in Bosnia or Kosovo, you could create a "terrorist" bombing, a government collapse, an economic collapse, or whatever, a run on Wall Street, anything.

You then get your problem, which you’ve covertly created, to be reported through your media in the way you want the people to perceive it. So, you report the Oklahoma City bombing as if it was due to a couple of